Rudy Carpenter "Has a Chance To Play" Against USC; Sprained Ankle Might Be Serious
Rudy Carpenter is pretty hurt. During the sack by Cal LB Zack Follett, Carpenter sprained his ankle and may not be able to play against USC. As if they weren't daunting enough.. this gem of an article surfaced.
Follett was out to avenge last year's 31-20 loss at Tempe, which he recalled as, "The most disrespected I've ever been in any stadium." He claimed his parents were spit on, and that his mother reminded him of that going into Saturday's rematch.
Follett hadn't forgotten that, nor all of Carpenter's taunts toward him in that 2007 matchup.
"He would say, 'Zack, you're so close. Zack, you're so close.' He called me by my first name like we were best friends," Follett said. "He's been in my mind-set for a while. Thank lord I finally got him."Follett got Carpenter at the perfect time Saturday.
The Sun Devils trailed just the 10 points, had driven to Cal's 44-yard line and Carpenter dropped back to pass on third-and-six. As Carpenter rolled right, here came Follett, and to best describe the ensuing scene, here's Cal defensive end Cameron Jordan to explain:
"I had a (offensive) tackle stood up, I saw Zack make contact and I might literally have stopped playing and just watched," Jordan said. "I told the offensive lineman, 'You're quarterback just died.'
"If you guys could have seen the pain, his face when he got hit, it was the funniest thing in the world."
What an unclassy bunch. Allow us to just pretend that seeing a player get hurt is funny, yeah. Cal's players should be ashamed of themselves; I thought they would learn more at Berkeley. Spirited smack-talking is an accepted and exciting aspect of football, but getting hurt is nothing to laugh or joke about.
So if Danny Sullivan has to start against USC, who does that really help? Not Cal. Not when they can use all the help they can get against a team that is far superior to them, but has 1 loss in conference play. Essentially, USC will beat them when they play. No one else can stop USC, not Cal and definitely not Danny Sullivan.
So next time you think it's funny to hurt the highest rated quarterback in the Pac-10, make sure you're hurting your own signal caller. Oh wait, your quarterbacks are both mediocre at best and won't be winning any awards anytime soon.
Update: I've received many comments, from this thread and from e-mail, calling me out for generalizing the entire Cal team. Here is my response to these comments. You can also see this in the comments thread.
I think a big part of this is the questionable reporting practices displayed by the newspaper that published this article. As I thought I made clear in my post, I have no issue with smack-talking. As I said, "spirited smack-talking is an accepted and exciting aspect of football." It makes the teams hate each other, and in the end makes the on-field product superior.
With that in mind, saying "If you guys could have seen the pain, his face when he got hit, it was the funniest thing in the world" is NOT smack-talking. It is disturbing. I get it, Rudy says a lot of things during the heat of a game that piss off the opposing teams. He got his ass kicked by Texas for what he did, and we all know he deserved it.
I don’t take issue with having pride in sacking the dude. I’m just shocked that a) the newspaper published those comments by Jordan and b) it actually seems like they wanted to hurt the guy.
But please, don’t come here and act like every Sun Devil fan is "scum" because of some isolated incident in the crowd last year. No one will deny there are bad apples, but every school has had issues like that in the past. I will admit that my generalization of the entire Cal team based on one bonehead was a mistake, and I apologize if any of you feel needlessly slighted.
We can all agree that Cameron Jordan was out of line to say those things, and that is the crux of the issue.
I hope this clears it up.
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I don’t particularly want to defend Jordan, since he’s in the wrong, but I enjoyed how you villified the Cal player (one guy, which you referred to as a ’bunch’) while ignoring Carpenter’s trash talking last year and the disrespect coming from Sun Devil fans themselves.
I hope Rudy’s OK and can go against USC. Good luck the rest of the year
by norcalnick on Oct 5, 2008 8:08 PM MST 0 recs
That’s a lot of hate directed at Danny Sullivan.
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by TwistNHook on Oct 5, 2008 8:23 PM MST 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3xi50DT5vs
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by royrules22 on Oct 5, 2008 8:54 PM MST 0 recs
Boohoo...

You Scum Devils can dish it out but you can’t fucking take it. Carpenter talks more shit than any QB I have ever seen. You mental giants over there in Tempe get some shit talked your way and you go and cry to mama. Get over it. If Carpenter was a classy guy you might have an argument but he and his petulant attitude have been asking to get waxed for a long time. I can only hope he gets the sand out of his vagina in time to play the Cats. Collapsed lung here we come.
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by camwoody on Oct 5, 2008 8:57 PM MST 1 recs
Wow - you can disagree with a post and keep the discourse civil, or you can not post here.
I’m not sure who you are or what chip you have on your shoulder, whether it is from being swept in all major athletics last year by ASU, or by having your school stuck in Tuscon, but lets just talk about the facts. Rudy is 3-0 versus the Wildcats. That must be it.
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by ASUBoyd on
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by royrules22 on Oct 5, 2008 9:31 PM MST 0 recs
I'm rubber and you're glue ...
Gee guys. How about discussing the level of “class” displayed by Assu fans spitting on a players mom.
Look, what Jordan said may not have been very “classy” but I really doubt any other player on any other team has never said something with an equal lack of “class.”
Besides, as others have pointed out, there seems to be a considerable bit of hypocrisy about all this considering that perhaps the least classy player in the conference got slammed.
Hopefully Carpenter will mend and continue to play throughout the year. But don’t expect many people to feel bad if he gets smacked around again. You reap what you sow, you know.
Go Bears!
by SoCal Oski on Oct 5, 2008 9:57 PM MST 0 recs
I think a big part of this is the questionable reporting practices displayed by the newspaper that published this article. As I thought I made clear in my post, I have no issue with smack-talking. As I said, "spirited smack-talking is an accepted and exciting aspect of football." It makes the teams hate each other, and in the end makes the on-field product superior.
With that in mind, saying "If you guys could have seen the pain, his face when he got hit, it was the funniest thing in the world" is NOT smack-talking. It is disturbing. I get it, Rudy says a lot of things during the heat of a game that piss off the opposing teams. He got his ass kicked by Texas for what he did, and we all know he deserved it.
I don’t take issue with having pride in sacking the dude. I’m just shocked that a) the newspaper published those comments by Jordan and b) it actually seems like they wanted to hurt the guy.
But please, don’t come here and act like every Sun Devil fan is "scum" because of some isolated incident in the crowd last year. No one will deny there are bad apples, but every school has had issues like that in the past. I will admit that my generalization of the entire Cal team based on one bonehead was a mistake, and I apologize if any of you feel needlessly slighted.
We can all agree that Cameron Jordan was out of line to say those things, and that is the crux of the issue.
by C.W. on
Oct 5, 2008 11:25 PM MST
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yeah i wasnt cheering those comments on when i read them either but it was one player ( guy making his first start ). you can criticize what he said without resorting to being a whiny fan and insulting cal players who didnt even have anything to do with it.
id take longshore (or riley) over carpenter ANY day of the week. in the very least he’s not an asshole who makes people root against his team and makes it fun. at best, he’s accomplished just as much as rudy (pac10 co-champ, 10win) and he did it without the planet’s easiest schedule and 14 home games.
by falseintellect on
Oct 6, 2008 12:01 AM MST
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Don't really have much to comment on the fan vs fan thing, or the smack talking but on the QBs accomplishments..
If you compare their stats, Rudy will come out on top every time. Longshore 46 tds/30ints versus Rudy’s 73 Td and 30 ints. Rudy has thrown for more yards, has a higher career passer rating, and a higher career completion %. Longshore choked in every big game for you guys last year except the Oregon game. Plus if you are going to talk about Cal’s pac-10 co championship, and in the same sentance degrade our’s for having “the planet’s easiest schedule” look at your ’06 schedule – @ USC and @ Tennessee was it. You then had every other game at home, and your road games were against Washington State, Arizona (a loss..), and Oregon State. Longshore also had the help of having a stacked team – Marshawn Lynch, Justin Forsett, Desean Jackson are some pretty great college skill position players.
Now, don’t read this the wrong way. It was a good year, Longshore is good, and your team is good. But it really isn’t fair to diminish Rudy’s accomplishments like that.
Though, I will agree he is an asshole who makes people root against him. :(
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by ASUBoyd on
Oct 6, 2008 12:59 AM MST
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Longshore was injured last year. I’m not going to claim that Nate is god’s gift to football, or even that he is better than Carpenter, but you must realize that those numbers are rather skewed with half a season of barely-there injury play…
Longshore did not choke in the Tennessee game nor the Oregon game last year, which were the only two big games pre-injury.
You’d get more sympathy from me looking at 2006, which looks good on W:L, but Nate had a lot of the same poor tendencies that got exacerbated when he was injured.
by tmoran3020 on
Oct 6, 2008 4:45 PM MST
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Fair enough.
He is a good quarterback, and frankly, if we are judging the two players on current performance – I would rather have him. Rudy lost a lot of our confidence with that game.
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by ASUBoyd on
Oct 6, 2008 11:17 PM MST
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Another perspective on Jordan . . .
Thanks for clarifying CW, but your initial comments seemed extremely whiney. Even ASU fans must admit that Rudy is flat out one of the biggest dicks when it comes to talking about he opposition. He never is at a loss for words and pretty much every opponent comments about his crap talking during the game. Last year ASU beat a weak Cal team. Fine. He backed up his comments with a win. But now his comments come back to bite him and he gets slammed. Football is a contact sport. I have no problem with players trying to hurt each other so long as it comes within the rules and involves clean plays. Even if Follett caused injury to Rudy (which does not seem to be the case) I have no problem with that because it was NOT an illegal or dirty hit. Most of you probably saw Best get the puke knocked out of him by Maryland a few weeks back. Clean, hard hit which basically took Best out of the game. I have no problem with that b/c football is a contact sport and every coach I’ve been around talks about hurting the other team. Again, when I say hurt I mean bringing pain within the rules.
As for Jordan’s comments, it’s hard to tell in what context they were made. Is he celebrating Rudy’s ankle injury? If so that lacks class and should be condemned. Is he simply repeating his thoughts at the moment of the hit when Rudy gets nailed without knowing whether he’s injured or not? I have no problem with reveling in a good hit that “hurt” Rudy in the sense of “Fuck, that hit hurt!” It’s a contact sport right? Otherwise why not just play flag football?
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by oaktownmario on
Oct 6, 2008 9:57 AM MST
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I was at last year’s game, and given my experiences I have little doubt that Follett’s parent’s experience is true.
Also, according to this article, it wasn’t the sack that caused the injury, it was the chase-the-qb-halfway-around-the-planet interception, earlier in the game I believe.
by tmoran3020 on Oct 5, 2008 10:59 PM MST 0 recs
What was interesting about that play was that Carp actually got a pass off, complete to his WR. Impressive play, even if it was called back for ineligible man downfield. But it took about 30 seconds off the clock, which was the real killer. 30 seconds for a 5 yard completion (eventually called back). I think we’ll take that trade off.
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by TwistNHook on
Oct 6, 2008 7:25 AM MST
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“But please, don’t come here and act like every Sun Devil fan is "scum” because of some isolated incident in the crowd last year."
I don’t think every Sun Devil fan is scum due to my experiences last year. In fact, I didn’t want to rub it in on Saturday because the fans that were at the game were probably not the type of fan I’m unhappy with – those fans don’t travel to away games.
But for the record, it was NOT an “isolated incident.” The number of incidents belies this claim. I hope that ASU has taken better measures to keep the visitor section more isolated this year – last year there were ASU fans above and below the Cal section, causing a real nice mixture of stuff thrown up the stands and stuff thrown down, not to mention the close proximity for general a**holeness.
I know it was a big game, I know it was a late game (lots of alcohol time), but I was very disappointed in the complete lack of control and possible complicity by the administration.
I certainly hope ASU’s traveling fans were treated with more respect on Saturday – from everything I could see, they were.
by tmoran3020 on Oct 6, 2008 4:31 PM MST 0 recs
Eh, I was there also...
And it is not as if the Cal fans were just minding their own business while getting needlessly harassed by ASU fans. It was back and forth, and while everything I saw was good natured, there very may well have been some nastiness.
It is unfortunate if you had a bad experience at Sun Devil stadium, but if ASU’s school newspaper The State Press is any indication, many visiting fans have a nice time – the editor always prints letters from visitors that either complain or compliment the school. There have definitely been some negative ones, but there have been a lot of positive ones too.
The “big game” thing is something ASU fans are not very used to – I think ;) Maybe some of us got carried away and acted classless. It is hard to say.
Go beat Arizona.
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by ASUBoyd on
Oct 6, 2008 11:20 PM MST
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I left Memorial Stadium through the south tunnel past the ASU crowd. From what I could tell, everyone at Memorial was civil. One of the ASU players came over to the rail to meet what looked like his mom and his sister or girlfriend. They seemed like really nice people. The game was over and they were a little sad ASU lost but the crowd was respectful.
I’m in Tucson next week visiting my UofA cousins for the game. I’ll be wearing my Cal shirt and hat.
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by Olsonist on Oct 6, 2008 7:14 PM MST 0 recs
We're good people :)
You should let us know the kind of reception you get from the ’cats fans :)
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by ASUBoyd on
Oct 6, 2008 11:17 PM MST
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Yep I'll add to that
The ASU fans I met at Memorial on Saturday were nice people who seemed kind yet a bit sad at your team’s fate. But overall they even asked me a few questions about Berkeley and answered some of mine.
I also noticed that a bunch of your guys were playing beer pong in the rain at 10AM in a public parking lot! They invited me to play when I made a comment but as I had still not had any breakfast I had to decline.
I was disappointed that you seemed to have left your hot girls in Tempe. Shame on you.
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by royrules22 on
Oct 6, 2008 11:33 PM MST
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Oktoberfest was here this weekend - a bigger draw for the ladies, unfortunately ;)
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