Poor Attendance Overshadows Sun Devil Victory
The chant of "Go Devils" echoed off the concrete steps of Sun Devil stadium, yelled enthusiastically by 43,780 fans on Saturday evening.
With an official maximum capacity of 71,706 (with the biggest crowd in ASU history being 74,963), that means that Sun Devil stadium was only 61% occupied for the Sun Devils' 38-14 thrashing of the Louisiana-Monroe Warhawks.
Why are Sun Devil fans avoiding the stadium? There are many answers for this, but regardless of reasoning, there are financial implications at stake. Allow me to begin by listing the reasons for the lack of attendance, and then I will delve deeper into each particular issue.
- Weak Scheduling (Idaho State was 1-11 last season in the FCS, and ULM was a definitive downgrade from our originally slated match up with BYU)
- Historically Hot Conditions (Generally speaking, the first few games in September are nearly 100 degrees at kickoff)
- People are Spending Smarter (buying ASU tickets on a tight budget is difficult to justify when you can tune into nearly every ASU game on FS Arizona)
- Ticket Price Increase in a Recession (This was a foolish move by Arizona State)
Lets talk about this issues.
By scheduling creampuffs at the start of the season, ASU admitted to its fans that the team needed some seasoning before it played Georgia. Idaho State is a complete joke and we should never schedule an FCS team when it isn't a requirement by the Board of Regents (see: Northern Arizona).
Then, we allowed BYU to opt out of our scheduled contest to give them the opportunity to play Oklahoma in the brand new Cowboys Stadium in Dallas. There was a good reason for this: we would have lost badly to BYU, and Max Hall, a former Sun Devil himself, would have embarrassed the bad coaching decisions our university has made in the past.
Even with a sorry schedule, there are many Sun Devil fans who would have turned out if the weather wasn't so darn hot in September. It just so happened that a hurricane came northward from Mexico, and gave us a much-needed respite from the heat on game day against Idaho State. Game time temperature was in the 70-80 degree range.
Similarly, the temperature was decent for yesterday's game against ULM, but you can't forget the sweltering games we have seen such as the 2005 Temple Owls game and the 100+ degree day game against USC that same year.
Now, we must shift our attention away from the weather and focus on the bottom line. I won't delve into the economic issues from the consumer end, but I will look at the shortsighted decision to raise ticket prices in this economic environment.
First of all, metropolitan Phoenix was hit very hard by the sub-prime mortgage crisis, and the surplus of newly built homes in our area has brought construction, one of our biggest economic stimulants, to a screeching halt.
Back in January, ASU announced the price increase to the public, and simultaneously tried to "standardize" the season ticket process by moving up the renewal date by two months.
What did they do to the prices? Per Jeff Metcalfe:
Sections with the highest percentage increase are in the upper north end zone with seat backs. Those seats are going up 50 percent to $149, the same price charged from 2001-05 before a decrease. The next highest percentage increase is in upper west side sections below the press box, where the seat premium is $80, still less than what was charged from 2001-06.The sections with the largest dollar increase ($145) are on the lowest west side. That's part of a two-year increase that those in sections 5A and 9A were informed about before purchasing 2008 tickets.
I find the justifications interesting. Metcalfe pointed out that ASU was charging the same price it used to charge from 2001 to 2006 for the upper north end zone seats, but the athletic department has hurt their revenue and hurt the students of Arizona State with the price increases that have been soundly rejected by the general public.
Should you raise prices when your team is performing well? If it is warranted, I would say yes. But if your team goes 5-7 and the economy of Phoenix goes into the tank, the prices should not go anywhere but down in an attempt to drive interest back to the team.
In the end, the students of ASU will be saddled with the financial ramifications of this decision to raise prices. If the students are asked to pay a surcharge or an "athletics fee," which is entirely possible given the lack of attendance thus far in 2009, I hope that the reasons are clearly outlined and the students are given free season tickets. That will be the only way to justify anything along those lines.
The attendance at our football games must improve, and with the cooler October weather and the start of Pac-10 play, I believe we will see 50,000-60,000 for Oregon State. Still, it isn't enough, and until ASU can perform consistently on the field, we will not be known as a football school, and our fanbase will be known as casual.
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Hmmm
I really hope it is more than 75% full for the first Pac-10 home game..
I think the fans will begin to show up if the team is winning. 2007 started to get some good crowds. Sustained success is the key I think.
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by ASUBoyd on Sep 20, 2009 10:55 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, definitely. But you need only look as far as a team such as Iowa, who packed their stadium completely full for the Arizona Wildcats.
I’m not even making a joke here. If Iowa came to ASU, I have my doubts as to whether it would even pass 65,000.
by Cory Williams on Sep 20, 2009 11:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Not much can be said other than Arizonans are bad fans.
There is, of course, fans who will go no matter what – people who go on blogs like ours..
But in a city like Phoenix, with a metropolitan population of over 4.2 million people, there is no excuse why they should not be selling out Sun Devil Stadium. This is the same city who could not sell out the Diamondbacks during their playoff run. It is inexcusable. They barely avoided a blackout in week 1 of their Super Bowl contending Cardinals.
I do not get it.
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by ASUBoyd on Sep 21, 2009 12:52 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
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our fanbase will be known as casual.
It’s mostly because there are few people that are actually “from” Arizona. Most people in the area are 2nd or 3rd generation. I guess what I’m getting at is there is no loyalty because everyone seems to have a tie to a midwest school or something like that.
ASU has to have a USC-like run of dominance before we’d ever sell out every game and have more than a few thousand show up for the spring game.
We’re a sleeping giant in so many ways — but at the same time, that giant is on life-support. They’ve got to start winning, and doing it consistently or it’s always gonna be like this.
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by Dirk Diggler on Sep 21, 2009 8:26 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think you nailed it on the head..
with the few people “from” Arizona. Everyone definitely seems to have sports loyalties that lie elsewhere.
But with so many ASU alum’s you’d think there would be more support.
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by ASUBoyd on Sep 21, 2009 3:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good post
I was talking with several people in our section that we have season tickets with and it is just depressing to look at all of those empty seats out there.
The tough part is for our team to get better we need to get good big time recruits but that has to be really hard when your stadium is half full. If I was a 5 star recruit and I saw a half or 3/4 full stadium at ASU or a jam packed UCLA, CAL, Texas, Michigan, or some other big time school I would go elsewhere. I think this is why we are losing a lot of in state talent to other schools too.
I wish there was a web site that people could put their season ticket up for free to the games that they are just not going to go to. People who can either afford/want a full season can go to the game and cheer on the devils. That way we can at least get people in the stands. Hopefully, if these people came and started really getting into ASU it might lead to them actually getting season tickets in the future.
Probably very unrealistic but it was very frustrating to see.
by qbdoyle1 on Sep 21, 2009 2:54 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
wow
Nebraska is celebrating it’s 300th sell out this weekend, back to 1962….. given the ticket demand, there are a lot of places where fans can swap tickets. It never occurred to me that other schools didn’t have those kinds of sites or groups available.
What’s to keep you from creating a fanpost here saying that you have tickets available? Good as place as any, isn’t it?
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by Jon Johnston on Sep 23, 2009 9:49 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
two problems
1. You’d need readers for that to matter
2. You can’t even give away ASU tickets in most cases.
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by Dirk Diggler on Sep 23, 2009 4:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
There are all kinds of reasons ...
… th eobvious ones have been discussed to death: the team underachieved last year, the economy is horrible in AZ, the heat, the lousy schedule, the expected mediocrity of this year’s team, the fact that so many people in AZ are not from AZ.
Here’s a couple that haven’t been mentioned:
- Compared to other venues in Phoenix the Sun Devils play in a dump. Please don’t compare it to other college stadiums because ASU isn’t competing with those other colleges for the entertainment dollar. ASU is competing against teams who play at Chase, USAir Arena, UoP Stadium, and whatever the Coyotes call their palace. SDS is a complete dump compared to these facilities. The entry/exit is horrible, the concessions are weak, the bathrooms are a joke, and there are no freaking seats!
- The demographics of Phoenix and ASU are, in my opinion, bad and getting worse. ASU has the largest enrollment of any university in the country. Wanna guess where ASU ranks in terms of endowment? Top 25? Top 50? Top 100? ASU barely cracks the top 150. Yeah, sure, the Phoenix area has some nice places where money flows, and there are some ASU students with money, but for the most part the Phoenix area just isn’t what you consider well-to-do. These aren’t people who are going to pay seat premiums.
by sundevils on Sep 21, 2009 6:28 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Here's the real deal.
Hey all. Long time listener, first time caller.
Here’s the reason attendance sucks so far. It has nothing to do with weather or the weak schedule or the quality of the stadium.
The reasons are that Phoenix, as much as I love the place, has the most fickle fans on the face of the Earth and that the economy blows. Win and the fans will show. Lose and the fans will stay home. The trend even continues on sports radio: the fans only call KTAR, XTRA and The Fan when the Suns, Cardinals, D-Backs and Sun Devils win. The phone lines are a ghost town then the they are defeated.
The SJSU and SDSU games in 2007 drew over 54,000. Last year, NAU drew over 62,000 and UNLV drew a shade under 60,000. You win in this city, the fans show up. Period. Schedule doesn’t matter. If the Devils were coming off a 10-2 season, they could have scheduled Joe’s Plumbing College and 63,000 would have showed up. Go 5-7 and 43,000 show up. Remember earlier this decade when the Suns were horrible? They could barely get 70% capacity.
The weather on average has been cooler for the ISU and ULM games than it has been over the last two seasons in September. Last I checked, this was the same crappy stadium that hosted sellout after sellout throughout 1996 and 2007.
People just don’t have the money to go either. Longtime season ticket holders who have been hit hard by the economy are selling to recoup what they had to spend to renew their tickets.
At least the students are showing in force. When I was an undergrad, the student section struggled to fill for many games not against Iowa or USC.
by pitchforknation on Sep 21, 2009 9:19 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you wholeheartedly, and thanks for coming by to post. All I know is, we made a tactical error with a price increase on a 5-7 team in a poor economy. The other reasons are secondary, but reinforce the point.
by Cory Williams on Sep 21, 2009 9:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes they do not even show up when the team wins
See D-Backs being unable to sellout home playoff games.
Or that Cal game we won at home in 2007, there were empty seats still.
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by ASUBoyd on Sep 22, 2009 12:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The stadium is too big
I know this is an older post, but I wanted to chime in with my $.02.
The stadium is too big. The capacity has been increased over the years to keep the Fiesta Bowl in town, but the Fiesta Bowl is now gone, never to return to Tempe. With the major necessity to repair Sun Devil Stadium, there needs to be a serious discussion about replacing the stadium altogether, and putting up a smaller building on the same site.
As much as I love ASU, the reality is that they are a historically middle of the road Pac-10 team, that jumps out of it’s skin and has a great year once a decade. Of course winning brings people out to the games, but the Devils can’t be counted on to win consistently enough to rationalize filling a 70,000+ seat stadium. Tear SDS down, put up a brand new 55,000 or so seat stadium, and enjoy a solid home field advantage, which will in turn create more winning and more fans.
by patrick81 on Oct 6, 2009 11:33 AM MST reply actions 0 recs















