NCAA Conference Re-Draft Project: 5th Round Results
by Cory Williams on Jun 24, 2011 2:01 PM MST
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The fifth round of the SB Nation Conference Re-draft Project has further enlightened us to the goals of each particular conference commissioner. Here are the results:
BC Interruption: Washington (Texas, Georgia, UCLA, Wisconsin)
Black Heart Gold Pants: Auburn (Florida, Penn State, Virginia Tech, Miami (FL))
Team Speed Kills: Arizona (Alabama, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas A&M)
Big East Coast Bias: West Virginia (Ohio State, Florida State, Louisville, Michigan State)
Us: Syracuse (USC, Notre Dame, Oregon, Tennessee)
Red Cup Rebellion: Arkansas (LSU, Michigan, North Carolina, Stanford)
A mini West Coast run took place in the fifth round, with Pac-10 powers Washington and Arizona leaving the board. Both schools are successful in basketball and have respectable football programs. The Wildcats are a departure for TSK, who to this point has drafted bruising, power football teams. UA's air raid offense might push them to the next level.
We started to also see some less obvious choices, like West Virginia (Big East school, respectable in both power sports) and Auburn (great football, horrible basketball) going to conferences with fairly clear regional affiliations.
Next up, the House of a Thousand Sanctions picked up Syracuse. The Orange have an illustrious basketball history and also happen to be a prestigious academic institution in the northeast.
Syracuse is really popular among New York City denizens, too -- they consistently call Madison Square Garden their home away from home.
Can you imagine Syracuse and Notre Dame playing in East Rutherford? Or at Yankee Stadium? Pandemonium, I tell you. Anarchy.
I think it's safe to say that House of a Thousand Sanctions owns New York City, Los Angeles, and has a decent slice of Chicago. We also dominate the airwaves with an NBC television deal, have already built a few incredible rivalries (Notre Dame/USC football, Syracuse/Notre Dame in lacrosse) and Nike's just salivating at the thought of it all.
Real life conference commissioners, please email me for my resume. I'm available at the right price.
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If tradition factors into this at all
Washington’s football program should be valued a bit above “respectable.” (my Dad’s from Seattle, and I’ve heard about the ’60 and ’61 Rose Bowl teams more times than I can count). Although their attendance is pretty weak, in my understanding.
ECB reached again. BHGP made a solid pick, but they still lag a bit behind. Really like the Washington pick, and ‘Cuse, Arky, and ’Zona are also solid. Those four conferences look really strong. I’m kinda shocked that Kentucky hasn’t gone off the board yet, with their fielding of a passable football team to go along with their basketball tradition. Less surprised by Duke and Kansas still being on the board, but they’re solid considerations from here on out. Expect USC, Clemson, UConn, Cal, and Oklahoma State to get strong consideration moving forward.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jun 24, 2011 2:20 PM MST reply actions
oh, and Indiana to Duke and Kansas
I forget about them, with their recent troubles
Heel for school, Vol for life!
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jun 24, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
UW's attendance has held pretty strong even after all the poor seasons
It will rebound strongly in the next year or so, they have a very solid fan base. It’s a good pick for BCI. I think Kentucky is ripe for the picking and so is Cal. OK St and SCC would be good picks too. Why am I not so hot on Clemson? I can see Duke and UConn dropping to one more round. I think BHGP and TSK are the weakest so far, with BCI, Sparky and RCR are the most solid at this point.
by ev on Jun 24, 2011 4:17 PM MST up reply actions
I do agree on UW
you think TSK is weaker than BECB? I think BECB is by far the weakest so far.
I think Clemson is a fairly similar pick to USC. They’re really an SEC school in the ACC. Although they have a lot more historical success than the ’Cocks. I understand that the fanbase is pretty strong as well. And they challenge Georgia for the “do less with more” championship. Amazing how well they recruit for how little they deliver.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Go Bolts! Out West, go Preds! Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Jun 24, 2011 8:11 PM MST up reply actions
UCLA wants their title back
Now that you say it, BECB is pretty bad. For such a great first pick, they really reached every pick except Michigan State.
by ev on Jun 24, 2011 9:24 PM MST up reply actions
BTW, I didn't get around to commenting back to you and Cabal in regards to your retort...
I was basing my comments on a “what have you done for me lately” point of view, which honestly has been poor in the last couple of years.
I have no doubt that the future of the Third Saturday in October (and when will they get their heads out of their asses and schedule it PERMANENTLY on that date, damnit) will contain battles that will shape the SEC championship race.
Tennessee made sense at that pick for it’s potential.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
Maybe next year the Ice Surface at Jobing.com should be frozen with the tears of Winnipeg. - TimmyHate of FiveForHowling to a troll after it was alleged Coyote fans do not know how to ice skate.
by AlabamaJammer on Jun 24, 2011 4:52 PM MST up reply actions
God help me, I can't believe I'm saying this...
BHGP made a great pick once you get out of the realm of the football/mens b-ball realm. They have a top flight swimming squad, a baseball team that seems a little more Hyde than Jekyll lately but does have what it takes to perform most years.
But I’m still flabbergasted that UConn is still on the board. I would have picked them over Syracuse, but I’m not running the show.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
Maybe next year the Ice Surface at Jobing.com should be frozen with the tears of Winnipeg. - TimmyHate of FiveForHowling to a troll after it was alleged Coyote fans do not know how to ice skate.
by AlabamaJammer on Jun 24, 2011 4:56 PM MST up reply actions
I would have picked Syracuse in the next round
and before UConn. The Orange and ND give you the NY market, I don’t care what Rutgers says about it. Outside of their basketball, why do you like UConn?
by ev on Jun 24, 2011 5:57 PM MST up reply actions
Not that I'd ever defend UConn
But ‘Outside of their basketball, why do you like UConn’ is a kind of silly statement. I mean, yes, the Huskies won the Big East last year (albeit by winning two games by a field goal and one by two points), but of course any affection for UConn athletics is all about basketball (though men’s and women’s on their part). Much like any love for Oklahoma is all about football.
The difference is OU has a pretty large athletic department
and well football is bigger than basketball. I know all about UConn in basketball, it would be hard not too, but I was wondering why he thought UConn should have been picked already. There are a lot of very good basketball schools still out there.
by ev on Jun 24, 2011 9:47 PM MST up reply actions
I didn't consider the NY TV market...
…and I’m just looking at an up-and-coming football program as an accent. Having three quality sports programs is more than what other colleges have.
I do admit, thinking about the market, SU before UConn is the right choice.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
Maybe next year the Ice Surface at Jobing.com should be frozen with the tears of Winnipeg. - TimmyHate of FiveForHowling to a troll after it was alleged Coyote fans do not know how to ice skate.
by AlabamaJammer on Jun 25, 2011 8:03 AM MST up reply actions
Agree for the most part...
My next six overall would be:
1. South Carolina
2. Kentucky
3. Cal
4. Ok St
5. Clemson
6. Kansas
Next 6: Illinois, Duke, UVA, Iowa, UConn, BC/UMD
I see the next round as basketball heavy to build power rivalries (ie Kentucky-UNC or Kansas-Cuse) or establish a conference BB power, but the best values are the more solid all-around, and financially, choices (SC, Cal, OK St).
I'd have Kentucky ahead of South Carolina
they have relatively solid football fans, considering they’re a bball school. Also, I see Clemson and Carolina as separated pretty much only by one being in the SEC and one being in the ACC. Clemson has better history (they’ve actually won their conference. . . and even have a national title in the 80s) and slightly better ticket sales, but Carolina has more donations and slightly better AD revenue. Basically, I think that choice is a coin flip (I go with Carolina because I have a lot of friends who are ‘Cock fans) and shouldn’t be separated by three schools. But apart from those two comments, I like your list.
Also, when we get to UVA, BC, UMD territory, we’re probably getting to Ole Miss and Arizona State territory as well.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Go Bolts! Out West, go Preds! Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Jun 25, 2011 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
and on the "Clemson and Carolina are similar choices" theme
I just looked up 2010 attendance figures. They both averaged 77,000 for football (+/- 470). 17th and 18th in the country.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Go Bolts! Out West, go Preds! Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Jun 25, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
Next tier...
Good points. I’m giving the bonus to UVA/BC/MD based on the media markets (DC and Boston) but ASU does have Phoenix and AZ is still growing. MS and Zona also have the edge in recruiting. I’d go ASU over Miss, but between ASU or the mid-Atlantic schools I’d have to depend on where the conference is balanced based on picks so far. Also some big revenue schools that haven’t been dominant lately still out there: Iowa, Minnesota (shocked to see where they fall in overall revenue, plus hockey I guess?), Colorado, Mizzou, etc.
I agree Kentucky would be a great pick at this point
They give you what SCC can’t, an elite basketball program.
by ev on Jun 25, 2011 2:42 PM MST up reply actions
what does SCC stand for, anyways?
South Carolina Cocks? I thought the standard was to call them USCe or USCjr (if you aren’t one to call them USC, which I am).
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Go Bolts! Out West, go Preds! Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Jun 25, 2011 4:59 PM MST up reply actions
South Carolina College, their original name.
Of course I’m use to the USCe and USCw designations. It’s a poor attempt at humor after they sued USCw twice for trademark of the designation (they lost both times).
Cuse fan here!
Appreciate the pick. I’m glad someone besides BECB chose us to be honest. It’s good to know our value is seen from afar. I also really like what you are doing with the conference and I think we may fit into that even better than you think. We definitely bring the New York market to the table for one thing. And our basketball and lacrosse pedigrees are undeniable. But don’t count out football. We have a pretty great history of our own. Maybe not USC/ND levels, but the first African-American Heisman winner is nothing to sneeze at. And since our team is on the rise (with a coach who is very unlikely to bail on us), we could develop a mini-rivalry with ND over time given that we both recruit a lot of the same players. Anyway, I had to stop by to approve of the pick and the conference direction overall. It certainly is shaping up to be one of the strongest in this experiment.
Thanks for the support
We’re excited about the football program at Cuse too. College football has a long way to go in the northeast, but it can get there if Cuse and UConn can both develop at the same time.
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