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House Of Sparky Roundtable: Should Sendek Get A Mulligan For This Season?

We're pleased to introduce a new feature--The House of Sparky Roundtable, where the site's staff will debate a pressing issue regarding Sun Devil athletics, and then turn over the discussion to you. It will be a great forum for informed and insightful ASU viewpoints on all sides.

This week's topic: Should head basketball coach Herb Sendek get a mulligan for this season?

Brad Denny: Personally, I do give Sendek a mulligan for 2011-2012. There is no question that this season is nothing short of awful, and a coach is always the man responsible for his team, but I think the cavalcade of circumstances surrounding the team's performance can't fully be pinned on Sendek.

This was poised to be a bounce back season of sorts for Sendek and the program, with top recruit Jahii Carson joining a team with a nice core that was going to push the tempo. But then Carson eligibility drama carried on, injuries to key players struck and then disciplinary issues arose that resulted in suspensions to key players and the dismissal of ASU's most productive player in Keala King. For most of that, I'm not putting on Sendek's shoulders.

I can certainly see why fans are livid with a 6-13 record, but I don't think placing the blame on Sendek is warranted. I actually think that had he not received the contract extension in December amidst this chaos, the heat wouldn't be nearly to this level.

Nikil Selvam: I'm torn on this one, but ultimately I think that this season does fall on Sendek's shoulders. He shouldn't be held accountable for Carson's academic ineligibility, but he does deserve some of the responsibility for the disciplinary actions taken against his players. A coach needs to evaluate his players and find ways to motivate them, and Sendek failed to do so with King as he morphed into a problematic teammate.

Sendek definitely deserves props for taking immediate action with King, thugh. Rather than letting him stick around, Sendek made the wise--and bold--move to cut the team's leading scorer at the time to help his program. For this, he deserves some praise.

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But ultimately, it all circles back to the point that Brad made above: ASU has given Sendek a contract extension. The institution believes that he is the coach for years to come, and with that declaration comes heightened responsibility to produce consistent results. He is the reestablished frontman of ASU basketball and the primary figure that will surround future Sun Devil teams. Sendek, poised to be such a huge factor in ASU basketball over the next fews years, deserves responsibility for this season's poor showing due to its possible implications on the team's future success.

Cory Williams: Listen, guys, I appreciate your perspectives on this, but let's be honest -- 2010-2011 was Herb Sendek's mulligan year after Derek Glasser and Eric Boateng left campus. We let him off the hook with a miserable 12-19 record, citing the future as a cure-all for the disastrous results on the court at Wells Fargo Arena.

Lisa Love made a foolish commitment to Sendek with this contract extension, and his teams have done little to prove that he deserves it. Frankly, it's hard to recruit when half of your prior commits have defected to other schools or quit the program altogether.

We're really missing out right now on a few key players that should still be in Tempe. One is Victor Rudd, who is now a starting forward at South Florida, who is averaging nine points per contest and is second on the team in scoring. Demetrius Walker is a useful piece on a very talented New Mexico team, and don't we all agree that Corey Hawkins would be our point guard today?

I gave him a lot of slack but I don't think he deserves it. Outside of Jahii Carson's academic troubles, I put this entire season on Sendek's shoulders.

Cody Ulm: Head coaches are second on the credit pecking order in team sports only to quarterbacks; they often get too much approval when their team is good and not enough trust when their team is bad. In Sendek's case, it would undoubtedly be wrong to put the entire blame on what is currently going on with his program.

Sure, one has to wonder what sort of playing time promises he's offering to recruits that are making them disappointingly transfer essentially on a consistent basis. But Sendek holds firm that no guarantees have ever been made and each player has to work for every opportunity, which is something I think we can all get behind (if it's true).

And yes, some criticism has to be divvied out for ASU's lack of point guard depth but at this point, that seems like a case of 20/20 hindsight. Back in October, Chris Colvin was looking like a promising diamond in the rough, the jury was still out on Carson, and Keala King was just happy to be on the court no matter what position he played. Fast-forward three months, Colvin is dishing out turnovers and racking up suspensions, Carson had the hammer laid down on him by the NCAA and the ever-talented King whined his way out of a roster spot. Even when the consummate professional Trent Lockett stepped up to learn the position on the fly and the offense finally began to click, his ankle swells up to the size of a grapefruit and now the team is back to square one.

For me, that just seems like a lot of bad luck as Arizona State's point guard woes has been the main culprit in them leading the Pac-12 in turnovers and having no consistency on either end of the court. Not even Bobby Knight can succeed without the talent being there.

Brad: Don't get me wrong, he's not above the serious criticisms that have been levied against him. Sendek can try to explain away the rash of recent transfers as the norm in the NCAA, but the numbers are still disturbing...as is the win-loss numbers over the last two years.

I don't know that I'd call 2010-2011 a mulligan year as Cory did. The expectation was to struggle in the wake of key departures, whereas there was legitimate (to some degree) optimism surrounding this season. The switch to a new system seemed to me largely predicated around the dynamic skills of Carson, and when that drama unfolded, it threw the entire team off-kilter. Some have made the argument that it is on Sendek to get his player's academics in order, but I'm not one of those. That problem is on Carson.

As for the disciplinary issues, like Nikil I give tremendous credit to Sendek for his decisive actions and I actually think that helps the "mulligan" argument. We call this players "kids", but at the end of the day, they are adults and need to be accountable. If not, there's the door.

I also will reiterate that I think his contract extension--yes, the latest in a long line of Lisa Love errors--is skewing the perception of Sendek this season. But again, can't fault him for signing it.

So basically, this was to be a transition year that went awry to do ineligibility, discipline and injuries, things I don't think were the result of any of Sendek's actions. However, while he gets a pass from me this year, 2012-2013 is a make-or-break, no excuses left type year for Herb.

Nikil: Sendek has certainly been a victim of circumstance in recent years, as Brad stated, dating back to last season's poor 12-19 record. However, his renewed importance to the basketball program with this contract extension makes his situation hard to forgive.

Put simply, he has failed to put a winning product on the floor this year. Wouldn't things be better right now if Sendek had done a better job on the recruiting front, perhaps by persuading some of the players that Cory cited above to come to ASU? Yes, Carson wasn't able to play this year, but it would have been nice to have another impact freshman who could have stepped in and absorbed the brunt of the loss. This marks one of a few deficiencies that merely can't be overlooked when you're critiquing a coach that figures to stick around for awhile.

Sendek deserves responsibility for this season, but not enough to permanently damage his trust with Sun Devil Nation. If he can put together a productive year in 2012-2013, we will all magically forget about this dreadful two-season stretch and praise Love for extending him. This long-term contract really works two ways: right now, it's killing him, but it could turn into a blessing in disguise if Sendek can post wins next year with Carson running the point.

Cody: The others are right though; just because he has been a victim of circumstance doesn't mean he's above criticism. Truly, I do believe that Sendek would be the first to tell you that he's disappointed in his coaching as well this year.

Really though, I think a majority of his negative assessment lies solely in the timing of his extension. Without question, it was odd but I genuinely believe that Sendek is the best coach that this university can get for its basketball program. I feel everyone involved realized that as Sendek said that this was something in the works for a few years now.

If attitude was the reason the Devils were losing, I'd be calling for his head. Instead, Sendek consistently claims (and more importantly the players reemphasize) that if you were to close your eyes and listen to the team speak in practice, walkthroughs, and meetings; you'd think you were listening to a Kentucky or Ohio State. Sendek puts this team in the right state of mind and in the best position to win week in and week out.

Still, I'm not one for mulligans in sports. It's easy to be upset as I too thought there would be a slight improvement from last year. I'm just saying let's hold off on passing judgment until next year when Sendek has more to work with. I think we will all be happy he stayed when "the talent quota", as Sendek likes to call it, improves next year because he is the coach that will find the most effective way to maximize it.

Cory: At this point, it's self-defeating to speak ill of the guy, as the administration clearly believes he is the man for the job and has rewarded him with a big contract. Rewarding lackluster results is hard for me to swallow, but if Jahii Carson is as good as people claim, all should be forgiven.

But really, pinning your season on a short point guard is a huge risk. If I don't see a real center get recruited soon, I am going to flip out. Herb doesn't get a mulligan, but they'll let him swing again next season no matter what.

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You've heard our points, now it's your turn. Post your thoughts on whether Sendek deserves a pass for the team's struggles this season or whether he deserves the business end of a pitchfork in the Comments section below.

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Mulligan? You've got to be kidding.

ASU has won ONLY 11 of its last 40 games going back into last year. The academic troubles, he doesn’t get a pass there – Sendek recruited these kids- its all on him. In 09/10 season, sure we had 20+ wins, but those wins were ALL against such horrid teams we were one of 2 or 3 teams with 20+ wins that DIDNT make the NCAA Tourney. Our recruiting is awful. Here is a plan, go to the top 10 High School Athletes in Phoenix, just Phoenix and recruit just 3 of them! We have 3 kids from the entire state of Arizona on our roster. Instead of recruiting from Iowa, Calgary, Moscow, and Minnesota, stick around for a little bit and snag some of great talent right here in your own backyard. Its not rocket science. For a school the size of ASU, its PATHETIC the Men’s Basketball Team has been as uncompetititve as it has for YEARS.

I say this in complete seriosness, when Charli Turner-Thorne returns from her sabbatical, hand that woman the reigns of the ASU MENS Basketball Program. Thats the only way this mens basketball team at ASU is ever going to make it on Sportscenter.

by Sundevil02000 on Jan 26, 2012 12:47 PM MST reply actions  

Huh

Your kidding right. love should be fired for the renewal alone. sender has failed as much or more than DE.

by Txsndvl on Jan 26, 2012 2:08 PM MST reply actions  

Stop being Apologists for Sendek - LONG

He was hired on April 3, 2006 and is in his 6th season as Head Coach.
He has the 3rd longest tenure of any current Pac-12 coach!!
Yet, so far this season his team has lost to Pepperdine, Fresno State and NAU at home and looks to finish its worse season since 06-07!

College Basketball is all about recruiting the right players and then getting them to play as a team. Sendek has failed in both regards!

Sendek just signed his 7th recruiting class which features three(3) In-State Arizona High School players who between them had no other offers from a Pac-12, Big-12, Big-10, ACC, Big-East, or SEC team. How many ‘diamonds in the rough’ does Sendek see in the Grand Canyon State….or does he just not like recruiting outside the borders of Arizona?
Looking at all 7 of his classes combined, overall what grade would you give Sendek in recruiting? C- is what I see.

’06 – Glasser, Shipp, Odufuwa*, Polk* (the latter two were Evans recruits who later transferred and had nice careers at North Texas & Utep)
’07 – Harden, Kuksiks, Abbott, McMillan, Woods* (Woods transferred after a year)
’08 – Coy*, Rohde* – Coy never nade onto campus and Rohde transferred
’09 – Brandon Thompson*, Victor Rudd*, Demetrius Walker*, Ruslan Pateev, Trent Lockett (You already covered Rudd and Walker…while Thompson also transferred)
’10 – Cain, Creekmur, Dunson*, Bachynski, King*, Hawkins* (King, Hawkins, Dunson all gone)
’11 – Colvin, Gilling, Carson** (Carson=Academically ineligible-loses a year of eligibility too! How is Sendek not responsible to ensure that his incoming players are academically eligible? Where does the buck stop?)
’12 – Robinson, Martin, Jacobsen (TBD)

Outside of Harden(and Glasser as that rare found gem), and perhaps Lockett(when healthy), what top regarded recruit has Sendek landed who has consistently made a difference in the outcome of games and/or in the locker room? In 7 seasons that is ridiculous especially considering Harden only played two years.

This is 100% Sendek’s team with all the players he is left with after all the transfers, the dismissal/transfer and the Carson situation. All the details of the King stuff have not been made public, but the fact that Sendek has had so many players leave the program is a pattern you can’t ignore.
His players, his staff, his system, his RESPONSIBILITY!!

Now, in regards to last season. Sendek had 3 Seniors returning(Abbott, Kuksiks, McMillan), two were returning starters while McMillan had been the 6th man for 2 straight years backing up Glasser. Kuksiks was the returning Pac-10 3pt FG% leader, Abbott had been honored as an All-Pac-10 player in 09-10(1st team) and 10-11(HM). They had been picked to finish in 4th place due to all the returning talent(compared to the other 9 Pac-10 teams). Some even claimed they were a tournament bound team based on the favorable home schedule. But they turned into a 12-19 team.
How is this a Mulligan? This was a total FAILURE! In fact, it was foreshadowed by the previous season’s ending losses to Stanford(th place) in the Pac-10 tournament which kept the Sundevils out of the NCAA and then a loss as the #1 seed in the NIT hosting Jacksonville in Wells Fargo Arena in front of 2200 fans! That is a long period of time seeing mostly failure to give a coach a Mulligan and a 2 year extension!

Sendek gets paid well over $1mil per year, but the only think he has proven he can do consistently is drive fans($$$) and players away!

-luv da hoops

by RealityChecker on Jan 26, 2012 3:04 PM MST reply actions  

If we fire Erickson...

I don’t see how we keep Sendek. it’s the same story. If Burfict was the downfall of DE, then why isn’t Dunson/King/Hawkins/Thompson/Walker/Rudd/Coy/Rohde the downfall of Sendek. We got lucky getting Harden, who made the program smell legitimacy for the first time in a long time. But that’s worn off, the team is pathetic, we don’t recruit physical skilled big men, we don’t recruit ball handlers, we don’t recruit shooters, we don’t recruit defenders. There are so many things wrong with the basketball program. The 2 year extension is laughable. At the very least, wait until the end of the season. Only 50% of his recruits stay on campus. That is the BIGGEST concern. He’s clearly not evaluating talent well. Herb’s gotta go. This program is in disarray.

by mlev811 on Jan 26, 2012 9:05 PM MST reply actions  

agreed

I really like Herb as a person, but as a coach (94–87 in 5+ seasons) not so much. He seems like a stand up guy. But so did Rob Evans, you know he of the eight years and 119-120 record. By the end of this year, Herb’s record will be at or below .500 with ASU. That’s not an improvement. With the new facilities ASU should be recruiting better and playing better.

It think it is time for ASU to change direction. If the buyout isn’t too bad or maybe if we can get a booster to pay it. If we’re going to lose I’d rather do it with exciting basketball instead of this slow it down, first team to 50 points wins thing.

I don’t know if it is Herb’s fault, but at the end of the day sometimes you have to just change to break out of the funk Herb might win a National Championship some day, but it will not be with ASU. There seems to be a disconnect and really just a laziness to the program. It’s on the assistant coaches too. And the AD. And the players. But mostly, it’s Herb’s program and it really really sucks

by isithotinhere on Jan 27, 2012 2:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Buyout?

Anyone know if the buyout changed with the extension? Or what the buyout was before?
I don’t really care about the extension if we only have to buyout like a year or two of the deal. If we have to buyout the whole deal then maybe we have a problem.

by isithotinhere on Jan 27, 2012 2:01 PM MST reply actions  

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